Top breeder performance with improved mycoplasma control

Published on: 08/31/2022
Author/s : Chris Morrow / Bioproperties Pty Ltd, Australia.

A medium sized broiler day old chick supplier into the Indonesian market, P.T. Peternakan Ayam Manggis, use Cobb 500 grandparent stock and have a production base of about 800,000 parent stock. They also have Hisex layer breeders and sell day old layers. Over the last decade, since switching to Cobb for broilers, they have been improving performance with investments in feed milling and other sector...

remove_red_eye 190 forum 5 bar_chart Statistics share print
Share :
August 31, 2022
Hello Dr. Morrow, thanks for sharing the article.
If I read well, it more recommended nowadays the TS-11 vaccine over the F-strain vaccines?
August 31, 2022
I must declare a vested interest here. I work for a company that commercialized ts-11 and MSH and I invented the MSH vaccine in 1988.

So here i go (I dont know if you are talking about breeders or layers)

F strain has never been used in the USA for vaccinating breeders (worry that it has been found outside the flock it was put in - same for 6/85) but it has been used in many places around the world in breeders and often without problems especially if they are also using antibiotics in breeders and progeny. (so once they start using antibiotics then they are using an antibiotic program and not vaccine for mycoplasma control).

So in Mycoplasma positive progeny and sometimes in breeders people give antibiotics also for “Post vaccinal reactions”. That is if they don’t give antibiotics they massive respiratory reaction. Commonly prophylactic antibiotics are given at Day 18 in broilers to LaSota vaccination at day 10. Of course antibiotics do nothing for the viral component. With F strain you can prevent the vaccine reaction with nearly any antimycoplasmal antibiotics that is absorbed orally and it works as F strain like ts-11 is sensitive to all antibiotics. Vertically transmitted Mycoplasma Field strain augmented LaSota vaccine reactions need an antibiotic that the field strain is sensitive to.

You can also use ts-11 to push out F strain once the F strain has pushed out the field strains has been suggest (Kleven and Turner 1984) but I have never seen anyone do it and I believe we have shown ts-11 handling field strains by itself many times around the world.

The myth that ts-11 is not strong enough to do the pushing out of the MG strain I think is flawed. It is based on
1) The poor serological response to ts-11 vaccination to peak of lay. I have been thinking about this and I think this serological response is because the parent strain of ts-11 was isolated from a broiler breeder breeding programme in Australia in the 1980s that had been trying to eradicated MG with limited success chasing it with serology for atleast a decade. I think they made the parent hide till it could be vertically transmitted.
2) Pen experiments where Stan Kleven tried to see if birds vaccinated and they challenged could resist challenge. He did most of this work very well and with a lot of thought but his labs media was not liked by ts-11 and biased his results. If you look at the titres of ts-11 used in one paper they are all over the place but reassured the vaccine batches were above 10^8 CCUs/ml as tested by the USDA for release (Merial used to supply the media for testing). These titres actually show the batch to batch toxic effect of the UGA media on ts-11. Sometimes dropping ts-11 growth by 6 logs,
3) What level of protection do you actually need. I think it is to stop farm to farm transmission not bird to bird. Ts-11 is strong enough for that.

F strain has struggled to show that it is safe without antibiotics. Some people have argued that if it is given by eyedrop you don’t get vertical transmission. The vertical transmission is consistent in the literataure. Ts-11 vertical transmission happened in Georgia USA but was not our usual experience – our usual experience is Barbour 2000.

So USA experts tell people around the world to use F strain in breeders – maybe to nobble them so USA performance looks better. South America, Parts of Asia, Egypt etc. There is usually one integration in each of these countries having F strain problems in breeders and/or progeny - I think it is probaly the integrations not using antibiotics after F strain vaccination.
August 31, 2022
Hello Dr. Morrow, thakns for the massive response. I apologize because I am not an english native speaker, but I'll try to do my best.
Actually, in the company where I work, we use F Strain for heavy breeders and layers. The purpose of using it in the breeders, is to effectively control field MG; and in the layers, is to protect the breeders for croosed infections, not because it's relevant for them.
We have had very good results, because our chickens stopped to had a respiratory syndrome with E. coli.
But, after 40 or 45 weeks of age in the breeders, making survelillance of Mg throught tittres, we appreciate a tendence fot the tittres to go up, and we prefer not to take risks, ans we use an antibiotic just ton control the titters, because usually don't fall to 0.
I hope my answers are well redacted and undestable.
Any questions please let me know.
August 31, 2022
David Baquero there are ways of seeing if the rise in titres is due to wild strains entering the flocks. DIVA PCRs are possible
Do you have to give antibiotics for vaccine reactions? in breeders/layers or broilers? Have a look with PCR before treatment and see if it is due to F strain.
September 1, 2022
Chris Morrow Thanks Dr. Morrow for your kind answer. I have not seen any hard, or even, soft reaction to this vaccine. We actually use Tylosin when the titres rise just as a measure to prevent a field strain that really could affect the broilers, specially, because in the breeders or layers, we don't see anything related with a possible MG attack in the pens.
As a question: DIVA PCRs are different from traditional PCR?
We use PCR after the use of F strain, just to be sure that the vaccine did his job well.
Engormix reserves the right to delete and/or modify comments. See more details
Post a comment
Create new discussion :
If this discussion does not cover topics of interest or raises new questions, you can create another discussion.
Consult a professional in private:
If you have a specific problem you can perform a consultation privately to a professional in our community.
Dr. Sahil Kalia, Ph.D.
Dr. Sahil Kalia, Ph.D.
PhD, Postdoc, Cornell University, USA
  Ithaca, New York, United States
Copyright © 1999-2023 Engormix - All Rights Reserved