Discussion created on 01/08/2015

Gizzard lesions with dark reddish material

Anybody can discuss litter toxicity in broiler birds? I am observing the problem in broiler birds with gizzard lesions..

Dr Nitin Ghadage
Master in Veterinary Science
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January 12, 2015
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DR K SENTHIL KUMAR DR K SENTHIL KUMAR
Veterinary Doctor
January 13, 2015
Is Gout Cases in Commercial Meat Type Broiler Birds -got any correlations with Gizzard Erosion Leisions -like.
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ravindra ravindra
Veterinary Doctor
January 14, 2015
As per my opinion, in India most of the feed millers are using maize with mycotoxins. Gizzard lesions can be found with all above points discussed by different People. and i have observed mycotoxins as main cause.
Indian millers lack aflatoxin analysis in their mills. Ty
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January 14, 2015
More specifically may be caused by biogenic amines..?
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Dr. Rakesh  Nimbalkar Dr. Rakesh Nimbalkar
Animal Nutritionist
January 14, 2015
Dear Dr Nitin ,
In my opinion these gizzard lesion would have been contributed by citrinin toxicity through the feed ingredient like maize gluten meal . you are also advised to confirm whether the maize gluten meal was processed by dry milling or wet milling . wet milling products have higher concentration of citrinin
Thanks
Dr Rakesh Nimbalkar
Consultant Poultry nutritionist
Polchem Hygiene Laboratories Private Limited
Pune - India
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Lutfullah Naqvi Lutfullah Naqvi
Specialist in Animal Nutrition
January 14, 2015
What is the age of bird and what are physical signs shown by the birds.
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Dr.H. Sodhi Dr.H. Sodhi
Veterinary Doctor
January 16, 2015
this type of condition is caused by biogenic amines also named black vomit & having very foul odour.
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January 16, 2015
my question, are they yusing Fish Meal?
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Radoslav Tsenin Radoslav Tsenin
Veterinary Doctor
January 21, 2015

I fully agree with Dr. Barman B.
I had the same problem. Mycotoxins are not homogeneous throughout the feed. For this there are only 25% expression.
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Dr.Suryakant Eknath Mohite Dr.Suryakant Eknath Mohite
Veterinary Doctor
January 22, 2015
What is age of occurance, morbidity & mortality percentage, look after any viral infection.
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April 30, 2015
I do not know much about toxicity but fowl Adenovirus serotype- I is also responsible for gizzard erosion. I don't know exactly the intensity of lesions that are developed. Anything related to this?
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May 4, 2015
Hi, dr. Nitin, do you have some info to share with us about this problem you had with gizzard lesions? I am asking because one of the farm that I visit is having the same problem: gizzard erosions, black content in the gizzard and crop, internal bleeding, all starting with the age of 20 days. The mortalities are progressive. The problem is not on the entire farm, only about 30 % is affected. They sent already tissues sample for testing and we took feed sample to test for mycotoxins. What was in your case? Is the problem solved now? Thank you.
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May 5, 2015
That is the fungal infection . please send the feed sample to laboratory. Thanks
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Veterinary Doctor
May 5, 2015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23678748

Adenoviral gizzard erosion in broiler chickens
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Dr.H. Sodhi Dr.H. Sodhi
Veterinary Doctor
May 5, 2015
DEAR ALL
adenovirus is very much responsible for gizzard erosion. it is simply erosion of layer without much change in colour/smell etc.this type of condition you will find in where fish meal is used of poor quality .biogenic amines presence in poor quality fish causes this black vomit & gizzard erosion with foul smell.
regards
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Athula Mahagamage Athula Mahagamage
B.V.Sc., MBA, MBS, Dip. in Fin. Management
May 5, 2015
This could be due to toxin or improperly (especially over cooked) cooked fish meal or non vegetable proteins. If it is Toxin binder, you are required to check the efficacy and distribution in feed. Your raw materials might have high pockets of mycotoxins and your general application of toxin binder will not tally when you are using those pockets.
If you are using fish meal or any other animal protein, please check the quality of the same by taking random samples from different places of the stocks. Some portions might be overcooked.
This is my practical experience. If it is related with Clostridium or any other diseases you might be able see some other leasons other than GE
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Robi Amizar Robi Amizar
Poultry Nutrition and Feeding
May 5, 2015
this is the first time for me to see this disease..,,thanks for this discussion, i'm interested to hear about this isue
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Mark Bestes Mark Bestes
Bachelor of Science in Agriculture major in Animal Science
May 5, 2015
Maybe it is because of the mycotoxin like T-2 toxin, MAS and DAS. Another factor to take into consideration in the mechanism of action of these mycotoxins is that after their absorption in the intestines they pass to the blood and later to the saliva, causing lesions in the mouth and possibly in the gizzard.

regards..
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Premchandar Premchandar
Veterinary Doctor
May 6, 2015
please let me history of the farm, feed source .Mortality %.
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DR ANWAR SAID DR ANWAR SAID
Veterinary Doctor
May 6, 2015
This could be due to coccidiosis, i have seen specific cases of cocci like this sign symptom please check the litter wet condition.
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